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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2008, 07:57:12 AM »
Well I dont know if any ones going to read this but what the hey. a few months ago I went over the Field manules and the new house books (well the ones that are avalible any way) over the rank systems.

This is the ranks currently in use by the house militarys. With a quick note on the level of command that rank is typicly found.

Lyran alliance
Recrute -Training
Private -After training
Private 1c -After 6 months
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Corporal -fireteam?
Senior Corporal -squad
Sergeant -squad, veh cmder (mechwarrior)
Staff Sergeant -platoon (inf/veh pltn cmder) (5 years exp)
Sergeant Major -platoon/company
Staff Sergeant Major -Battalion
Senior Sergeant Major -Regiment (20 years exp)
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Warrant officer -tech
Warrant officer 1c -work squad
Senior warrant officer -work ptln
Cheif warrant officer -work company
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Cadet -Traning
Leutnant -"6 months"
First Leutnant - Platoon commander
Hauptmann - Company Co
Kommandant -Battalion Co
Hauptmann-Kommandant -Senior Btln Co
Leutnant Colonel -Regiment Xo
Colonel -Regiment
Leutnant-General -base commander/ RCT cmder (brigade)
Hauptmann-General -providence comander
Kommandant-General -General Xo
General -Military theater comander
General of the armies

Federated Suns
Recrute
Private
Private First Class -"6 months" promo
Corporal -fireteam
Sergeant -squad /mechwarrior
Sergeant Major -platoon (co)
Command Sergeant Major -battalion / regiment
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Cadets -training
Subaltern - "6 months"
Leftenant -platoon
Captain -company co
Major -battalion
Leftenant Colonel -regiment Xo (senior btln co)
Colonel -regiment co
Leftenant General -bde cmder, planitary milita
Major General -RCT cmder
General -PDZ cmder (RCT cmder)
Marshal -PDZ cmder, department head
Field Marshal - theater cmder
Marshal of the Armies

Free Worlds leage
Recrute
Private
Private first Class  "1 year" promo
Corporal -squad /mechwarrior
Sergeant -platoon (infantry/tank)
Staff Sergeant -company /mechwarrior (typical rank)
Master Sergeant -battalion
Sergeant Major -regiment
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Lieutenant -platoon
Captain -company
Force commander -battalion
Lieutenant Colonel -senior battalion (infantry or tank regiment)
Colonel -Regiment
General -brigade/division
Marshal -military district
Captain General

Capellan Confenderation
Recrute (private)
Corporal -squad leader
Sergeant -platoon
Master Sergeant -battalion
Command Master Sergent (unafisial) -regiment
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Lieutenant -squad (platoon infatry & tank) /mechwarrior
Captain -platoon (company infantry & tank)
Major- company (battalion infatry & tank)
Lieutenant Colonel -battalion (regiment infatry & tank -max rank)
Colonel -Mech regiment -base commander
General -"area commander"
Senior General

Draconis Combine
Recrute -traning
Private -after training
Lance Corporal -"6 months"
Corporal -asistent squad/tank leader
Sergeant -squad/tank leader
Master Sergent -platoon /mechwarrior wo/mech
Talon Sergeant -batalion /mechwarrior w/mech
Sergeant Major -regiment
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Lieutenant -platoon
Captain -captain
Major -battalion XO (company co)
Lieutenant Colonel -battalion
Colonel -regiment
Brigadier General - generals Aid
General -Prefecture commander
Warlord -military district


All Houses seem to start their mechwarriors at around Sergeant level except the Capellans who start at Lieutenant. (so for the most part most mechwarriors are NCOs and not WOs or Officers)

As for training it seems most mechwarriors take about 3-4 years, though 6 is not unheard of.

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2008, 11:08:04 PM »
hmm Did I miss somthing.?.?.? or did you just skip over the Clan ranks?
Never mind I just noticed the thread was "Inner Sphere Rank Structure"  sorry for being a ~@%!#^&
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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2008, 06:50:15 AM »
hmm Did I miss somthing.?.?.? or did you just skip over the Clan ranks?
Never mind I just noticed the thread was "Inner Sphere Rank Structure"  sorry for being a ~@%!#^&

Clan Ranks are farly simple

First to note is the Clan OOB
Squad -5 infantry or 1 BA (battle armor)
Point -25 infantry or 5 BA or 1 mech or 2 Tanks or Aerospace fighters or 5 protomechs
Star -5 points
-Nova -A subset of the Star which inclueds 5 points of mechs and 5 points of infantry (typicly Elemental)
Binary/Trinary -2 or 3 Stars
-Nova Trinary -2 or 3 Novas
Cluster -2 to 6 Trinarys or Binarys (or Nova Trinarys)
Galaxy -2 to 6 Clusters

Warrior -reguler private of sorts
"Squad commander" -Commands a squad of 5 reguler infantry (non Battle Armor, a Corporal equivalent)
Point Commander -Commands a Point (Sergeant equivalent)
Star Commander -Commands a Star (Lieutenant equivalent)
Nova Commander -Commands a Nova (not used in all clans, a Senior Lt. equivalent)
Star Captain -Commands a Trinary (Captain equivalent)
Nova Captain -Commands a Nova Trinary (again not used in all clans, a senior captain or major equivalent)
Star Colonel -Commands a Cluster (Major or Lt Colonel equivalent)
Galaxy Commander -Commands a Galaxy (Colonel or Brig General equivalent)
Sa Khan -2nd in command of the clan
Khan -leader of the clan
Il Khan -leader of all the clans (not allways used)

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2009, 09:04:44 PM »
[[Somewhat of a Nerco post. But I did just join this group.]]

Anyone who has "an interest", is free to clean this up to make it make far more sense if they like. Some kind of table perhaps. I don't really know how to do that sort of thing here with the forum system.

At any rate, here are the FASA listed Ranks appropriate to the Battletech Universe, and their equivalents Inner Sphere wide. Make of it what you will.

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DC – Draconis Combine
FS – Federated Suns
CC – Cappelan Confederation
FWL – Free Worlds League
LA – Lyran Alliance
FRR – Free Rassalhaughe[sp?] Republic
Clan – Clans
SL/Generic –Star League/Mercenary

As follows: on a “Scale” of 1-10 going from lowest to highest [noting (N/A) Means at that level the represented entity has no equivelant rank of that level]

Enlisted
1
DC - Hojuhei
FS – Recruit
CC – (N/A)
FWL – (N/A)
LA – Recruit
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic – Recruit

2
DC - Heishi
FS – Private
CC – Shia-ben-bing
FWL – Private
LA – Private
FRR – Menig
Clan – Warrior
SL/Generic – Private

3
DC - Gunjin
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – PFC
LA – PFC
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic – PFC

4
DC – Go-cho
FS – Corporal
CC – San-ben-bing
FWL – Corporal
LA – Corporal
FRR – Korporal
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic – (N/A)

5
DC – (N/A)
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – (N/a)
LA – Senior Corporal
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic – (N/A)
 
6
DC - Gunsho
FS – Sergeant
CC – Si-ben-bing
FWL – Sergeant
LA – Sergeant
FRR – Sergeant
Clan –  Squad Commander
SL/Generic – Sergeant

7
DC - Shujin
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – Staff Sergeant
LA – Staff Sergeant
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic – (N/A)

8
DC - Kashira
FS – Sgt Major
CC – (N/A)
FWL – Master Sgt
LA – Sgt Major
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic –(N/A)

9
DC – Sho-ko
FS – (N/A)
CC – Yi-si-ben-bing
FWL – Sgt Major
LA – Staff Sgt Major
FRR – Fanjunkare
Clan – Pint Comander
SL/Generic – Master Sgt.

10
DC – (N/A)
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – (N/A)
LA – Snr Sgt Major
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic -(N/A)

Officer
1
DC - (N/A)
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – Lt. Junior grade
LA – Lieutenant
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – Star Commander
SL/Generic – Ensign

2
DC – Chu-I
FS – Leftenant
CC – Sao-wei
FWL – Lieutentant
LA – 1st Lt.
FRR – Lojtnant
Clan – Nova Commander
SL/Generic – Lt.

3
DC – Tai-I
FS – Hauptmann
CC – Sang -Wei
FWL – Captian
LA – Hauptmann
FRR – Kapten
Clan – Star Captian
SL/Generic - Captain

4
DC – Sho-sa
FS – Kommandant
CC – Sao-Shao
FWL – Force Comander
LA – Kommandant
FRR – Major
Clan – Nova Captain
SL/Generic - Major

5
DC – (N/A)
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – (N/A)
LA – Hpt Kmndr
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic - (N/A)

6
DC – Chu-sa
FS – (N/A)
CC – Zhong-Shao
FWL – Lt. Colonel
LA – Lt. Colonel
FRR – Overste-Lojtant
Clan – Star Colonel
SL/Generic - (N/A)

7
DC – Tai-sa
FS – Lt. General
CC – Sang-Shao
FWL – Colonel
LA – Colonel
FRR – Overste
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic - Colonel

8
DC – Sho-Sho
FS – Hpt. General
CC – (N/A)
FWL – (N/A)
LA – t. General
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – (N/A)
SL/Generic -(N/A)

9
DC – (N/A)
FS – Marshal
CC – (N/A)
FWL – General
LA – Hpt. General
FRR – (N/A)
Clan – Galaxy Cmndr
SL/Generic – Lt. general

10
DC – Tai-Sho
FS – (N/A)
CC – (N/A)
FWL – (N/A)
LA – Kmd General
FRR – Generalmajor (one word)
Clan – saKhan
SL/Generic – Major general

These ranks go beyond the sliding 1-10 scale
11
DC – Tai-Shu
FS – Field Marshall
CC – Jiang-jun
FWL –Marshal
LA – General
FRR – General
Clan – Khan
SL/Generic – General

12
DC – Gunji-no-Kanrei
FS – Marshall of the Armies
CC – Sang-jiang-jun
FWL – Captain general
LA – General of the Armies
FRR – Overbefalhavare
Clan – ilKhan
SL/Generic – Commanding General

Seems to me the most likely, orientation for ease of use would be the SL/generic ranking system

Enlisted
Recruit
Private
Private First Class
Corporal
Sergeant
Master Sergeant

Officers
Ensign
Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Lt. General
Major general
General
General
Commanding General

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2009, 01:33:36 AM »
nice revival gwiber ;D

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2009, 06:46:48 AM »
I knew I knew a place for this reference too when looking for the Ranks.

If it helps:

Organizational Structure of Inner Sphere Militaries

Ground Units
Squad – 7 Troopers
Lance – 4 Vehicles
Platoon – 4 Squads – 28 Troopers
Company – 3 Lances or Platoons – 12 Vehicles/84 Troopers
Battalion – 3 Companies – 36 Vehicles/252 Troopers
Regiment – 3 Battalions – 108 Vehicles*/756 Troopers

* In the case of Mechs, this does not include the Command Lance/Company (Lance/Company choice Depending on commander proficiency or Mercenary or Sanctioned military unit status. Mercenaries usually have Lances. House Militaries will usually have Companies, though this is not always a guarantee)

Aerospace Units
Lance – 2 Fighters
Squadron – 3 Lances – 6 Fighters
Wing – 3 Squadrons – 18 Fighters
Regiment – 3 or more Wings – 54+ Fighters

Com Guards Military Structure
Level I Unit – One Mech/Vehicle/Platoon
Level II Unit – Six Level One Units (Demi-Company)
Level III Unit – 6 Level II Units (Battalion)
Level IV Units – 6 Level III Units (2 Standard Regiments)
Level 5 Unit – 6 Level IV Units (Army)

It is standard Comstar tactic to mix and match Unit types into combined Arms teams to provide an organizational surprise to enemies whop expect a Unit to have a certain make up do to its Unit Organizational name.

Clan Military Organization Structure
Point
Star – 5 Points
Binary – 2 Stars
Trinary – 3 Stars
Cluster – 3-5 Binaries/Trinaries
Galaxy – 3-5 Clusters
* Nova is a common Appellation Added to 4-5 Binary/Trinary Clusters and 4-5 Cluster Galaxies, to represent the over strength of the unit. (I.E. Nova Cluster and Nova Galaxy)

Gimme til tomorrow. I have something somewhere that tells you exactly what Rank commands what.

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2009, 07:31:48 AM »
I knew I knew a place for this reference too when looking for the Ranks.

If it helps:

Organizational Structure of Inner Sphere Militaries

Ground Units
Squad – 7 Troopers
Lance – 4 Vehicles
Platoon – 4 Squads – 28 Troopers
Company – 3 Lances or Platoons – 12 Vehicles/84 Troopers
Battalion – 3 Companies – 36 Vehicles/252 Troopers
Regiment – 3 Battalions – 108 Vehicles*/756 Troopers

* In the case of Mechs, this does not include the Command Lance/Company (Lance/Company choice Depending on commander proficiency or Mercenary or Sanctioned military unit status. Mercenaries usually have Lances. House Militaries will usually have Companies, though this is not always a guarantee)
mostly correct though it's farly commen for mech units to have command units (even with Merc units), tank units are less comen but are there, and some forces do have command squads and platoons for infantry. 

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Aerospace Units
Lance – 2 Fighters
Squadron – 3 Lances – 6 Fighters
Wing – 3 Squadrons – 18 Fighters
Regiment – 3 or more Wings – 54+ Fighters
some houses use a diffrent OOB for fighters Laio uses 39 per wing. the AFFS use 20 (a command flight).

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Com Guards Military Structure
Level I Unit – One Mech/Vehicle/Platoon
Level II Unit – Six Level One Units (Demi-Company)
Level III Unit – 6 Level II Units (Battalion)
Level IV Units – 6 Level III Units (2 Standard Regiments)
Level 5 Unit – 6 Level IV Units (Army)

It is standard Comstar tactic to mix and match Unit types into combined Arms teams to provide an organizational surprise to enemies whop expect a Unit to have a certain make up do to its Unit Organizational name.
correct though an oddity is present all Level IVs have 39 fighters present regardless of the type. (why 39 insted of the more commen 36 no one knows.)

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Clan Military Organization Structure
Point
Star – 5 Points
Binary – 2 Stars
Trinary – 3 Stars
Cluster – 3-5 Binaries/Trinaries
Galaxy – 3-5 Clusters
* Nova is a common Appellation Added to 4-5 Binary/Trinary Clusters and 4-5 Cluster Galaxies, to represent the over strength of the unit. (I.E. Nova Cluster and Nova Galaxy)

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Gimme til tomorrow. I have something somewhere that tells you exactly what Rank commands what.

Well I sorta allready did that but I gess you can clean it up.


Just to point out the write ups in the FMs state that most house Mechwarriors are NCOs and not Officers (only house Laio has them at Officer level).

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2009, 08:06:12 AM »
Thanks to both of you for this little wonderful page ;D consider it snatched :P
   

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2009, 11:02:16 AM »
Command Table

Following the Previously listed 1-10 sliding scale, these are the command level equivalents (Thought ComGuard and Clans seem to be conspicuously absent from the written materiel here)

1
Enlisted - None
Officer – Lance

2
Enlisted – None
Officer – Company 2nd

3
Enlisted – None
Officer – Company

4
Enlisted – Squad 2nd
Officer – Battalion 2nd

5
Enlisted – Squad 2nd
Officer - Battalion

6
Enlisted – Squad
Officer – Regiment 2nd

7
Enlisted – Platoon 2nd
Officer - Regiment

8
Enlisted – Platoon
Officer - Brigade

9
Enlisted – Lance 2nd
Officer - Division

10
Enlisted – Lance 2nd
Officer - Corps

Again, these ranks are off the charts, so to speak
11
Enlisted – None
Officer - Army

12
Enlisted – None
Officer – Successor State

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Re: Inner Sphere Rank Structure
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2009, 11:13:45 AM »
As for what Nebfer posted in commentary to my posts:

He’s right; in general some Houses/Clans/the ComGuards/Word of Blake(not to even try to mention the Periphery States) units may from time to time slip to incongruities to the structure over all.

We both seem to be pulling our material from official FASA sources for our information. Believe me I wouldn’t personally know a Tai-sho from a Sa-bin… whatever it was.

The Ranks I listed are directly written comparison levels. Some ranks have no equivalent on other Military service units of another political entity, and some appear sooner or later in rank structure than others.

Best to start with my list, then as you move into various Military Structures, fine tune to meet the expectations of the structures using Nebfer’s commentaries.

Especially when it boils down to what consists of unit and what doesn’t.

Groups like the Free Rassalhaghu(sp?) republic were far more renown for their Aerospace units than anything else and may well have sported a different structure than the average for that unit. And things like the Draconis Combine Ghost regiments, I have no idea WHAT their rank structure must have looked like. Between the combination of Military rank, and Yakuza Status, must be truly messed up.

As for our posts, neither is wrong. Its just a matter of moving from base from of reference (mine) to a more fine tuned for individual use structure like Nebfer’s.

Heh, if someone wants to go along and table it up by Military entity as far  as what rank is what equivalent on the sliding scale, and then by Military entity show how each unit is commanded and what makes up a unit, I’d bow to your perseverance.